From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue Feb 22 2005 - 12:14:15 GMT
Hi people,
I'm happy to run with this:
"In the MOQ empirical experience begins with Quality which generates intellectual patterns. One of these intellectual patterns is named 'senses,' but this pattern is derived from the study of anatomy and is not primary in the actual empirical process."
So 'feelings' and the biological level etc are all intellectual level
abstractions from the primary stuff of value, from which arise the patterns, the ten thousand things etc.
Let's accept that when Pirsig says 'The MoQ uses [the term "sentient experience"] literally' he is not referring to what we would normally consider our senses but something more primary (and which must therefore be 'analogous' to the biological senses/ feeling, along the lines that Mark describes).
As Glenn put it: "When Pirsig says that we access the Absolute through literal sentient experience, he means we are doing so without the assistance of biology".
Let's move on to talk about emotions.
In my original question I had in mind work that I have referred to many times before, ie Antonio Damasio's work, as first articulated in his book Descartes' Error (see a post to MD that I sent on July 6 2001). The key thing I would like to explore is the distinction between emotion and feeling, ie that they are profoundly different things, and to consider how the MoQ classifies emotion.
I thought this might get us started on some of the wider questions that, eg, Matt and Hugo have raised?
Sam
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