Re: MF Discussion Topic for February 2005

From: Wim Nusselder (
Date: Mon Feb 28 2005 - 06:06:07 GMT

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    Dear Sam & other participants,

    You doubted 26 Feb 2005 22:53:39 -0000 whether you had argued that "emotion"
    rather than "feeling" be understood as a broader term for "primary
    discernment of value", at least at the upper three levels.

    Please reread the quotes from your 14 Feb 2005 09:58:26 -0000 post I gave 26
    Feb 2005 08:42:04 +0100. They suggested to me that you did argue for that
    - if pre-intellectual understanding = biological quality, the intellectual
    level has no independent access to DQ (which it should have)
    - if feeling = biological quality, we need some other term to describe our
    primary discernments of value (= pre-intellectual understanding)
    - emotion <> feeling, because sometimes emotion <> biological quality
    - feeling sometimes manifests emotions
    - "that suggests to [you] that" if feeling = biological quality, emotion =
    broader, transferable across the upper three levels and primary to
    feeling/biological quality
    Was I wrong to get that suggestion from your quotes?

    You asked:
    'How do we know that when, eg, we use "experience" in this broader way,
    we're not simply letting language "go on holiday" and mislead ourselves into
    thinking that we know more than we actually do? That is, we have a pretty
    good idea of what "experience" means in the normal course of events, but
    what does it mean when it is being used in this extended, "broader", sense?'

    Well, it obviously means "primary discernment of value" then.
    Primary discernment of inorganic value implies (usually unconscious)
    understanding that something really exists.
    Primary discernment of biological value implies (usually unconscious)
    understanding that something affects the survival of one's DNA pattern.
    Primary discernment of social value implies (usually unconscious)
    understanding that something affects one's social status and/or that of
    one's group, because it fits or doesn't fit a colllective habitual pattern
    of behaviour.
    Primary discernment of intellectual value implies (usually conscious)
    understanding that something refers to (symbolizes) something else (that
    does exist, affect survival, affect status or refers to yet something else).

    Finalley you asked me:
    'Does blushing have a biological pattern as part of its overall

    The ability to blush does, the pattern of blushing in specific kinds of
    social situations doesn't.

    With friendly greetings,


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