From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Sat Mar 05 2005 - 06:12:51 GMT
Dear Sam,
You wrote 4 Mar 2005 20:30:45 -0000:
'I'll ponder [emotions as primary discernment of value] further.'
Please take into acount my counter-arguments...
You also wrote:
'My point is that [the word "experience" when understood as "primary
discernment of value"] is ... doing something different to what the word
"experience" normally does.'
Are you sure? Isn't "primary discernment" THE meaning of "experience" as
used in empiricism? See also Pirsig's comparison of his MoQ with James'
"radical empiricism" at the end of 'Lila' chapter 29. At least James'
radical empiricism strips the SOM ("objective") baggage off the term
"experience" (according to Pirsig).
Finally you asked:
'So you are saying that you can have a full description of blushing without
reference to the biological components?'
No, a blushing cannot be fully explained without describing the ability to
blush and I wrote that the ability to blush IS explained by a biological
pattern of value.
Blushing is in my interpretation not a manifestion at the biological level
(in biological patterns of value) of emotions at the social or intellectual
level. Just as interpreting black dots on a white computer screen as your
ideas doesn't lead me to think that your ideas are changing inorganic
patterns of value, interpreting blushing as a symbol for shame (at the
intellectual level) or as an indication of a status problem (at the social
level) doesn't mean that shame and status problems can change biological
(DNA configured) patterns of value. The higher levels apply lower level
patterns of value; they don't 'manifest' themselves in lower level patterns
of value.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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