MF The first stone in the pond

From: Dario MOQ (dario_moq@growingman.com)
Date: Mon Aug 08 2005 - 06:49:43 BST

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    Hi there,

    I thought this list was awfully quiet compare with MD when I realised one
    of my "filters" was not isolating the MF messages properly.
    Still... if find interesting to notice the very different dynamics between
    the two lists.

    Having said that (and being aware I've been already off-topic ;)), let me
    address this month's:

    Is there a religion or spiritual practice that the MOQ supports?

    For sake of simplicity, I will assume that religion and spiritual practice
    are synonymous since I believe the only difference between the two is the
    level of social acceptance and recognition (i.e. how many have been
    practicing it and for how long).

    My understanding of Pirsig's levels led me to believe religion is a static
    pattern at the social level.
    To ask if the MOQ supports one religion is like to ask if the MOQ supports
    certain chemicals v/s others, dogs v/s cats or a communist society v/s one
    based on democracy etc...

    After a first examination, I would say that the answer to the month's
    question is no.

    What I see in the MOQ, and other systems of thought, is that there is an
    implied force behind the evolution of each level into the next one. I like
    Pirsig's choice to call this force "Dynamic Quality". I took it as an
    attempt to foster the discussion without getting stuck in the inevitable
    blocks that any reference to other terms would have caused.

    I also noticed there is a widely spread tendency to believe that such force
    pushes in the direction of "good", "better", "higher quality". It seems
    reasonable to see a similarity between this tendency and another concept
    called "faith".

    I tend to believe that the MOQ described only a subset of a larger
    framework where every level, pretty much as fractals do, seems to reveal
    underlying "lower" levels of evolution, thus implying, perhaps just for my
    need of some sort of symmetry, the existence of "higher" levels.

    I am strongly considering the possibility that the next level up the
    Intellectual Level is a Spiritual Level.
    Such distinction does not imply an end... only that our evolutionary path
    will "create" higher levels as we become more and more able, aware,
    conscious of their existence.
    In the same way that "society" existed since the age of dawn but was not
    called like that, I start to see the forming of a new level developing
    across multiple societies, cultures and intellectual ideas.

    The name "Spiritual" is just a convenient one that seems to fit... at least
    to me.

    Using this assumption, my answer to the question is a definite yes.

    I am aware the above could be both far-fetched and blatantly obvious.
    It works for me though.

    Dario

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