Magnus Berg (MagnusB@DataVis.se)
Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:58:15 +0100
Hi Jonathan and Squad
You wrote:
> Magnus:
> >Ahh I see, you seem to think that there
> >are such things as eternal static truths.? I think you're in for
> >a surprise though. The static in SQ does not mean 'static
> >for ever and ever' but 'static between two quality events'.
>
> I don't see why you interpret my views like that. On the contrary, I
> have repeatedly stated my opinion that the "truth" one observes is
> context dependent. Nor did I ever say that I consider SQ as .
>
My apologies, your proposal of SQ as 'intellectualised description of
DQ' sounds like the intellectual level to me. I jumped to the conclusion
that you regarded only intellectualised descriptions as really static,
i.e. ever lasting.
> >And DQ is not a thing. Pirsig writes in Lila about the static levels:
> >They are exhaustive. ... nothing is left out. No 'thing', that is.
> Only
> >Dynamic Quality, which cannot be described in any encyclopedia, is
> >absent.
> To call the SQ levels exhaustive is axiomatic. The statement cannot
> really be falsified. And whether you decide to call DQ a "thing" or
> not
> is pure semantics.
>
A metaphysics is supposed to be axiomatic. And no, it can't be
falsified.
The only way you can judge a metaphysics is to find contradictions
within it.
I equal 'thing' with a MoQ 'pattern', then the difference is clear to
me.
DQ is responsible for creating new patterns in a completely
non-patterned way.
> >I think that 'things that happen' is actually the quality event. It
> is
> >dynamic allright, but it is not DQ.
> As soon as you start to describe "things that happen", the description
> itself is SQ.
> DQ is preintellectual, but can only be described in intellectual (SQ)
> terms.
>
> Magnus, please explain the difference between "the quality event" and
> DQ.
>
I'll try. In my first post on this subject, I wrote:
To be a little more specific, I usually look at the Quality Event as
two static patterns affecting each other. Each being the subject from
its point of view and the other being the object. The dynamic part of
the Quality Event is the ever present uncertainty in each and every QE.
For inorganic Quality Events, DQ is called the Heisenberg uncertainty
principle. I bet you could find similar principles for the other levels
too.
DQ is preintellectual, I agree. But it's also presocial, prebiological
and preinorganic. I think that your description sounds as if the only
real things in reality are intellectual patterns and the rest are just
'things that happen', or things that you, i.e. a mind, observes.
Please correct me if I interpreted you wrong again.
Magnus
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