From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Jul 20 2005 - 02:45:43 BST
Hi Reinier, (and Paul, Matt, Scott),
Reinier said:
I've tried to discuss this before but it soon drifted to a different
topic.
msh 7-19-05:
I wouldn't mind moving the discussion in your direction, because I
think you're on to something here.
On 19 Jul 2005 at 11:23, Reinier wrote:
I guess it's agreed by Scott and Paul that 'time'and 'space' are
intellectual patterns. In my opinion, they're just that, and they
don't link to the 'time' and 'space' that all sentient beings
'experience'. They're an intellectual pattern just as 'a pink
elephant with 9 legs and 3 eyes' is an intellectual pattern. One can
talk about it, one has a mental image of it but it reflects nothing
from perceived reality.
msh 7-19-05:
Yes. How important is it that we "understand" space and time as
intellectual patterns, when everyone's experience of same, every day,
is a hell-of-a-lot more concrete?
I'm not denigrating Scott, Paul's, Matt's contributions here, as I
greatly respect their opinions and have learned a lot from all of
them. But my eyes tend to glaze over when I begin to detect an
inordinate amount of angel-on-pinhead counting going on. The activist
in me always wants to know how such speculation can be useful in
ameliorating real misery experienced by real creatures in the real
world. I know some of you extreme Buddhist's out there believe that
misery is an illusion that can be overcome by enlightenment, but
please indulge me.
Reinier:
Time and space are never directly experienced, so they are no stattic-
quality pattern on any level. They sort of are the follow-up of us
experiencing change and organic and inorganic static quality. They're
the minds sollution to deal with that.
msh 7-19-05:
Agree. But what you call "follow-up" I call rational inference. Time
and space are inferred from experience, and rational inferences are
valuable in day-to-day existence.
Reinier:
With DQ and SQ being all there is, there's no need for space. With SQ
really being DQ in disguise, there's no need for time.
msh 7-19-05:
I don't understand this, and will wait for more input.
Thanks,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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