From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Mon May 19 2003 - 16:08:52 BST
Hi Squonk
> The Quality event is at once a coalescence and a
> differentiation. If you pick one answer you lose the
> insight of the other. Lila has Quality and Quality
> has
> Lila. As Mr Herrigel lamented: 'Is "It" spiritual
> when
> seen by the eyes of the body, and corporeal when
> seen
> by the eyes of the spirit-or both or neither?'
>
> Hello Paul,
> I find this suggestion to be very exciting.
> Thanks for your insight and support. It worries me
> that i may be confusing
> myself and others? But you see something in this
> also?
I do, and I find confusion sometimes signals the
breaking down of rigidly held views prior to insight,
of course it can also mean we're barking up the wrong
Bodhi tree!
sq: Since your arrival i feel less confused.
> The complimentary view of coalescence, (or what ever
> we may wish to call it,
> and which may be a non-starter in any case), seems
> to me to come right out of
> the MoQ.
I am finding the coalescence-differentiation
complement really useful as I feel it describes the
DQ-SQ relationship in terms of movement and lifts me
out of thinking in terms of one 'thing' acting on
another. You know what I mean?
sq: I do. So, are we happy to recognise DQ-SQ as a relationship? If so,
things may begin to gather momentum? Now we may have the framework for
exploring new MoQ insight?
(There may be resonance's with Plotinus and
> Spinoza? But i
> discovered these later, and they are well
> established western views.)
I find resonances everywhere, too many, in a way! It
can become a hobby of it's own, 'resonance spotting'
:-)
sq: Then maybe others will adopt this hobby of resonance spotting and begin
to deliver empirical data to the forum? I know my head sometimes spins with
the joy of seeing these resonance's. Who needs religion when Quality is right
under our nose i wonder? Its even in the most obtuse intellectual efforts -
or so others assure me. (My maths for example is dire, so cannot say!)
> I wish
> to say that the anthropocentric view you explore is
> exciting, and if i could
> offer only a fraction of the support you have shown
> me, i should be very
> happy.
Thanks, this thread has been really useful. The
anthropocentric view is really just a fallout from
trying to see how Pirsig's ideas matured. I am trying
to see how he goes from his enthusiastic agreement
with Protagoras - 'Man is the measure of all things'
to an evolutionary hierarchy which predates man in
terms of its scope. Maybe it was a bit of 'resonance
spotting' on Pirsig's behalf!
sq: "Man is the spotter of resonance in all things?" (And so we have art?)
:-)
Another way to look at it is, is differentiation a
'human' thing? Did it begin at the MoQ social level?
Do you see what I'm getting at?
cheers
Paul
sq: If we are using the DQ-SQ relationship as a starting point, then
differentiation may be bias towards SQ? That which is static poorly responds
to DQ and so may become in its way assertive? This would then appear to be a
universal tendency at all levels?
Before contemplating the opposite bias - bias towards DQ, it may be
interesting to contemplate equilibria? This may be a legitimate position
where the knife edge between DQ-SQ is ultra sharp? At this point - at this oh
so exceptionally sharp point of balance, things happen?
"It's a method on the edge of madness,
It's a balance on the edge of a knife,
It's a smile on the edge of sadness,
It's a dance on the edge of life." Neil Peart.
This is where we need to focus our enquiry i feel?
But what about bias towards DQ? I have a feeling such bias is the fine line
itself. When the line is crushingly thin, DQ radiates like an eternal bloom.
One beholds hold it, fleetingly, unpredictable. Maybe ritual can get there
more often than not; maybe ritual gets you in the ball park? But you have to
wait for it. No one and nothing can make demands. One may only be patient
under the Bodhi tree?
squonk
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