Re: MD Intellectual patterns? huh?

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Sun Jul 13 2003 - 19:25:08 BST

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    Hi Platt,

    > I have yet to find anyone who has made a clear distinction between
    > intellectual patterns that belong in the intellectual level and those that
    > don't. (Intuitive intellect is an oxymoron.). If there are intellectual
    > patterns that don't belong, where do they go instead?

    In my 'variant' MoQ, there is thinking (intellect of some sort) in each of the levels, according to
    the dominant values (biological, social, eudaimonic), so a lion chasing a gazelle is *thinking*
    about how to do so, and manipulates symbols in its brain in order to achieve that end (symbols not
    derived from language in its case).

    To my mind, therefore, now that the fourth level has come into existence, there is the potential -
    just as Pirsig describes - for the higher levels to change the construction of the patterns at the
    lower levels. So just as a tree will interact with the surrounding mineral environment (ie the soil)
    and develop symbiotic patterns, so too will particular fourth level innovations affect the social
    'soil' from which they were born. I think the clearest examples of those are the 'Bill of
    Rights'/human rights developments, which I see as preserving the value of an individual in the face
    of social opposition or control.

    So - as part of the fruits of a eudaimonic personality - there may develop new intellectual
    patterns. I have no problem with these patterns being absorbed into the 'culture' and functioning on
    the social level. For me, the distinction between intellectual patterns is derived from the use to
    which it is put. So a person brought up in the United States may relate to the Bill of Rights in a
    wholly social fashion (ie this is a badge of my tribe and must be defended as such) - or conceivably
    for biological reasons (imagine a fight with a foreigner that involved competition for the
    attentions of a member of the opposite sex). There is no 'essence' of an intellectual pattern that
    makes it something which operates only on the fourth level. That is why I think anything associated
    with intellect/thinking breaks down as a MoQ level. (In contrast, an 'autonomous individual' can
    only exist at the fourth level, and anything which is done by such an individual is at that level.
    At least in theory!)

    This is something I'm currently thinking through in more detail. Hopefully that will bear fruit in
    another essay before too long.

    Cheers
    Sam

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