HI Scott,
>> ERIN:
>> does the MOQ have a non-temporal stance?
>
>SCOTT: Not that I have seen, which is something that I think the MoQ needs to
>address.
ERIN: me too
SCOTT>I'm not following here. How does this relate to expectation? Can't one
>jump off through instinct, not through consideration of future
>consequences of not jumping off? That is, I believe this is a biological
>static pattern.
ERIN: Jumping off the stove may be due to instinct but
not sitting on the stove due to expectations of what would happen
is not instinctual. ( I do think some future-oriented process are
instinctual though, bee dances & probably all the ant stuff Elliot
likes). I am not interested about the memory being stored in the
brain either. What I am interested is that science and
the discussions of MOQers seem very comfortable with talking
about past-oriented stuff but not so comfortable with
future-oriented stuff.
SCOTT: I think one is mistaken in assuming that the brain has anything to do
>with the contents of consciousness at all. My favorite analogy is to
>think of the brain as a multi-dimensional metronome. It keeps all the
>sensory input in proper spatio-temporal order, but that's about all it
>does. (This is pure conjecture on my part, by the way.)
>
ERIN: Again I am not interested in the brain-consciousness thing just the
parallel patterns in psychology and MOQ discussions.
The metronome analogy is interesting though.
>> **** this relate to the MOQ in that how can we talk about
>> levels that have not occurred
SCOTT>But maybe they have occurred in certain individuals (mystics).
>
ERIN: Yes but my point was any discussion of a higher level is
ignored in MoQ discussions just like future-oriented processes are ignored in
psychology... How much do we discuss the four levels compared to
possible future levels?
Why are we so comfortable with the past affecting our experiences
but not the future?
SCOTT: I don't think the future or the past are as we assume them to be. This,
>to be sure, only replaces one mystery with another, but it does suggest
>that science is not the right tool to begin with.
ERIN: I agree.
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