Platt:
I knew it was too good to be true. When it comes down to particulars, we
again part company and disagree. Speaking in general terms you seem to want
to preserve the independence of the intellectual level, but when it comes to
actual real world examples you contradict explicit statements by Pirsig and
thereby mix up what goes where. For example, Pirsig puts socialism at the
intellectual level, but you call it fundamentalism and thereby put it at the
social level. I know you don't like the left. You've taken the opportunity
to attack Al Gore, Noam Chomsky, Karl Marx and the UN here and that only
shows your affinity with the reactionaries. Nearly every fascist and nearly
ever fundamentalist shares your view about these figures. I can only
conclude that you're on the wrong side in this battle and that you don't
know how to properly use the MOQ's moral compass.
Pirsig...
Communism and socialism, programs for intellectual control over society,
were confronted by the reactionary forces of fascism, a program for the
social control of intellect. ... The gigantic power of socialism and
fascism, which have overwhelmed this century, is explained by a conflict of
levels of evolution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Platt Holden [mailto:pholden@sc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 7:04 PM
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: RE: MD Creationism.
Hi David B, Squonk, Jonathan, All:
I'm also worried about the rise of fundamentalism and reactionary
movements, not only in America but across the globe. The infectious
disease of collectivism is as rampant today as it was in the era of the
Inquisition when heretics were murdered "for their own good." Today In
China, Cuba and throughout the world millions languish in poverty, fear
and servitude to rulers whose mindless homage to the gospel of Marx
and Lenin is only equalled by the stupidity of Islamic terrorists.
I agree with David B's statement, with a slight variation, that Jonathan's
denial of a fourth level would effectively put communism, fascism,
socialism and other fundamentalist hair-brained reactionary movements
on the same level as democracy, free enterprise, property rights and the
sciences. It would put Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot on the
same level as Churchill, Eisenhower, Reagan, Thatcher and Golda
Mayer.
As for politics in American, it was pretty damn scary when the
Democrats picked as their presidential candidate a simple-minded dolt
who couldn't make up his mind who he was, and still can't. But, I
digress. As previously stated, a fourth level is necessary. Otherwise,
Israel would be on the same moral level as Iraq. In fact, there are many
in the world today, especially among members of the UN and the
academic elite (Chomsky comes to mind), who can't tell the difference.
The world truly needs the MOQ.
Platt
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