Hi Platt, again, and Scott and Bo, and all
Here is someone else, not mishuganah [Yiddish for crazy] Gary who also talks
rather eloquently about internal & external reality foundational.
http://www.integralscience.org/integraloverview/io.html
Of course, I knowing all truth, all wisdom, etc, think he misses the mark on
pushing universals wisdom from contemplative experience not quite
accurately. he has too much faith that when your having sex with the divine
you are not wearing a condom. [see my post about mysticism today for what I
am babbling on about here.]
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: MD Consciousness
> Hi Bo, Scott, Gary, All:
>
> SCOTT (to Gary):
> > In my opinion, you are denying the MOQ. Specifically, Pirsig adopts >as
the
> > primary distinction that into DQ and sq. He then categorizes sq into
four
> > levels, inorganic, biological, social, and intellectual, each level
> > developing out of the previous, thanks to DQ. Note that there is no
> > division into internal and external reality. He then says that what we
> > commonly call subjective can be identified as the social and
intellectual
> > levels, and objective the other two. Again, no division into internal
and
> > external reality. just a definition of two words. In traditional terms,
no
> > mind/matter division.
>
> I agree with Bo that Scott has beautifully expressed one of the central
> principles of the MOQ, namely, "There is no division into internal and
> external reality." This, of course, is anathema to the science faithful.
> Anyone in the scientific community expressing such a belief would be
> promptly excommunicated--a victim of the "no infidels allowed effect."
> The sinner would join those who hint at a possible supernatural force at
> work in the universe.
>
> No wonder society is in trouble. Values verboten.
>
> Platt
>
>
>
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