Hi Squad,
Glove said:
>there really is a deep
>underlying mysticism at work in the universe that is recognizable whenever
>reality is penetrated deeply enough.
I'm getting pretty confused again (I seem to stay that way a lot since I
started participating in the group <grin>). My personal static intellectual
patterns are asking me to go back to the basics when trying to understand
something new, so I'd like to ask for input on how to define mysticism and
reality. The dictionary here beside the computer is no help:
Mysticism - Consciousness of transcendent reality or of God through deep
meditation or contemplation.
Reality - The quality or state of being actual or true. One that exists
objectively.
As you can see, these definitions taken together seem to beg the question of
each other, and even more confusing is the introduction of transcendent
reality into the definition of mysticism. Does transcendent reality really
mean a reality that transcends reality? Since reality is defined as being
actual or true, then the definition of mysticism seems to imply that there
is something that is more true than true and more actual than actual.
I realize that a dictionary definition is going to be based in S-O thinking
and is also implicitly going to be from the SOM point of view, but this is
really too much! I'd like to invite those of you with an opinion to lay out
your view of reality and mysticism. Maybe that way myself and others of us
in the "logic" camp will be able to have a basis for discussion about it.
Oh, and saying it's like Zen doesn't help me much unless you are willing to
define that too. I don't even dare to see what the dictionary people have
done with that one!
So many posts seem to be going around and around in circles with neither
side really able to hear what the other is saying. Perhaps we will never be
able to reach a consensus, but I hope we can at least correctly understand
each other.
Best wishes,
Mary
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