hello everone
Platt:
Hi Paul Nestadt and LS:
Welcome to the LS, Paul. You asked a very significant question, one that
asked myself early on:
"Why can't Quality just be subjective? Why isn't it just a fancy name for
whatever you like?”
A couple of Pirsig concepts helped me come up with an answer.
First, Quality = Reality = Morality = My Experience. In the MoQ these
words all mean the same thing. They're interchangeable.
Glove:
if "My Experience" is Quality, isnt this a purely subjective notion? and yet
there is no other way to desribe the awareness that arises in each of us
individually. yet there is certainly some type of constraining functions at
work in the universe that is beyond that individuality, but it must be
filtered thru the subjective self for experience to arise.
by constraining function, i mean static latchings along with the directed
momentum of the underlying forces of value at work. the reason reality is
not just what we wish is because of these constraining functions at work.
but our subjective awareness seems to be tied intimately to them
nevertheless.
Platt:
To put an answer to your question in a nutshell: Quality is reality, and as
we all know, reality is NOT whatever we wish.
Glove:
but isnt this an objective point of view? arent you now saying that there
really is a reality "out there"? i would prefer to say Quality is our
conception of reality as we have agreed upon. however there is no way we can
ever say if that conception is really "out there" or not. objectivity
solved(?) my problem in answering has to do instead with the subjective
side. i will just lurk a bit and see if any other answers make sense.
best wishes
glove
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