Re: MD Evil in the MOQ

From: glove (glove@indianvalley.com)
Date: Sat Jan 30 1999 - 20:01:30 GMT


Hi Rick, good to see you back again!

Glove:

>"I have been pondering your question and I am unsure that any social
>>>evolution, as we know it, would take place in a biologically "stable"
>>>population. It too would have to be "programmed", would it not? (is that
>>>what you mean by "pyscho-social evolution"?) What drives social
evolution?
>>>Its the biological diversity. If that is eliminated by genetically
>altering
>>>Dynamic Quality "into", in essence locking it out of, the biological
>level,
>>>there will be nothing to drive the social or intellect levels either."

Rick:
>
>This touches on something I have been talking about with a Pirsig fan who
>is not online with us. Does a lower level have to stop evolving for a
>higher level to evolve on top of it? I realize that the higher level
>struggles to control and keep the lower level in check, but does it need
>to totally cut it off from DQ? Did the protections of Society cut us off
>from the natural selection process that caused us to evolve far enough to
>create societies in the first place??? Does this mean that societies now
>evolve instead of biological entities? Or have societies that have reached
>the Intellectual level been cut off from evolution so that Intellect can
>safely evolve on top? Anyone? Anyone?

Glove:

In my opinion, each level in the Metaphysics of Quality has its own
evolutionary patterns being directed by underlying forces of value. The
inorganic level is beyond our being able to conceptualize what is occurring
there, so I will ignore that one. The biological level is driven by both
creative and dis-creative forces of value and results in the evolution of
the species as we understand it. The social level is directed by creative
forces of value and results in what can be called memes, social evolution.
The intellect level is directed by discreative forces of value and even
though this is the driving force behind the very process of Darwinian
natural selection, we have no conception of what is actually occurring
within the intellect level. It can be termed simply a "blank", an abstract
generalization of reality.

So to answer your question, I would say that if a lower level stopped
evolving, yes, the upper levels would also come to a stasis. Dynamic Quality
is the driving force of value within the Metaphysics of Quality and it works
in sychronicity between the seemingly opposing levels, or it doesnt work at
all.

Best wishes,

glove

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