Glove,
Glove writes to Magnus:
Now, you have proposed that any two patterns of value can be a Quality
Event should they meet. I would ask, how can Magnus "know" this without
either observing it or being communicated about said event in an
unambiguous
fashion? How can Glove know it? Or Ken, or anyone? You are saying we
wouldnt
"know", yet the only way we experience is to know.
Clark writes:
Glove, we know this because we accept Pirsig's interpretation of reality.
Remember when he talked about the chair being nothing but a collection of
Dharmas. (the chair was nothing but value).
Pirsig further tells us that there is an inorganic level in the MoQ.
Applying the above reasoning the whole inorganic universe is nothing but a
collection of Dharmas. Our intellect tells us (or somebodys intellect) that
the inorganic universe evolved before the other three levels, theefore
myriads of Quality Events occurred before there was life in the universe.
You seem to be saying that we cannot know that anything exists before us,
as individuals, because we were not present to observe each Quality Event
in an unambiguous fashion.
Glove writes:
You say it is your opinion I am puzzled because I consider all
observations human observations...that is not quite right.
I consider all
observations as MY observations. Any other observing entity must
communicate
their observations with me unambiguously for me to rely on them. This, btw,
is the essence of complementarity. Notice I am not saying nothing else
observes, be they human, plant, mineral or animal, it is simply that MY
observations are the only reality I have, the only reality any one of us
has.
Clark writes:
Glove, in my opinion studying the natural history of the universe as set
forth by scientists and other thinkers before us also constitutes your
unambiguous observations and become a part of your reality. If you insist
that only Quality Events that directly impinge on you senses constitute
reality then you are putting yourself in the same position as the South
American tribes that were being talked about recently. They, too,
experience Quality Events but these events are greatly limited by the
condition of their intellect. The very quality of your posts belies the
assertion that the only Quality Events you experience are your immediate
sensory inputs.
I have to take my wife out to dinner so I have to leave this fascinating
discussion. Ken
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