From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
Date: Sat Dec 04 2004 - 06:55:21 GMT
In a message dated 12/4/04 12:53:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
1. By what belief system or objective evidence do you believe that morality
evolves or progresses from lower to higher quality?
Hi Ham,
I am not a part of this discussion, but I would like to offer my thought on
this. It is Quality.
Morality evolves from making Quality decisions. Christian Morality would be
to follow the laws set down in the Bible, but even then morality is relative.
'Though shall not kill.' -or- 'Though shall not kill a member of your tribe'
can be followed blindly. Even in your own tribe, there will be instances when
you must kill in order to save the whole, or protect the innocent from death
or torture from an evil tyrant within your tribe.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" cannot be taken
literally, as they may not want what you do.
You can choose skeptic morality statements as a reason not to practice
morality, but like Quality, it is best served to the individual in individual
circumstances. The definition of a moral law is subject to the consequences of
any particular circumstance, and cannot be defined in advance as the
circumstances that would lead to the Quality decision cannot be predicted even if you
took all historical or experienced scenarios into consideration.
The Quality decision is a moral decision as it is the best decision you can
make in the moment.
This requires suspension of the ego, as the ego lends yourself to anger,
pride, etc., in your decision making.
The MOQ, as with any philosophy or metaphysics cannot create a basis to
judge this "better or worse." This better or worse decision must come from the
individual, or individual City-state in consideration to the circumstances that
present themselves.
You may extend this morality out to include all creatures big and small, and
this is IMHO how it should be. We should live in harmony with nature, and I
do not condone the killing of animals to clothe if it is not necessary, and it
is no longer necessary to do so. If wolves have become a problem in an area,
then maybe they could be moved to an area where your children will not be in
harm's way. This would be a High Quality decision over the Low Quality
decision to just grab the rifles and start shooting. If you have fire ants in your
yard, it would not be feasible to move the fire ants to a better location,
and your children take precedence over the fire ants. A human life takes
precedence over a cancer cell, as we are not cancer cells, and do not lend
ourselves to the wishes of the cancer cells that we allow them harmonious relation
to us.
I don't feel I need to take this any further, as I feel you understand where
it is headed. Morality is relative. Quality is relative. You cannot create
laws that fit all moral conduct, or guidelines to fit all Quality decisions.
What I said about Quality in my earlier post being interchangeable with the
Absolute or 'Nothingness' holds true if this is how you see your own
'Essence'. For short, once again, using Christianity, God would be the highest
Quality, and the cancer cell one of the lowest forms of Quality as it destroys the
body that lends itself to the soul. (understand this is only an example, and
not a statement that Christianity take precedence over other religions)
2. How does "learning more and more fundamental physics" relate to this
evolution?
The MOQ does not teach physics. It offers an understanding of how
everything, inorganic, biological, social, and intellect are related, and depend on one
another to live harmoniously within a world of differing social cultures,
religions, and politics, and different levels of intellect.
No culture, religion, or political state is absolutely superior to any
other. No intellect is absolutely superior to any other. An academic is not
superior to the lowly dropout. The academic knows more of the field in which they
studied, and maybe better rhetoric, but this is only one field. What counts is
how much you know about the life in which you are a participant; not an idle
observer; not a creator; but a participant in the creation of a better life
for all.
As opposed to the physics, were speaking metaphysics which is no longer
Aristotelian, but and attempt at simple and inclusive knowledge and guidelines as
best as we can do in an abstract to the attainment of a Quality life for
mankind; not the individual man; not the Western man, but all mankind, and it
must be extended to include a world of more familiarity with all of man.
There is not absolute law to a moral question, as it is all relative, as I
offered earlier from James, who I thought made a pretty decent case;
_http://www.philosophy.uncc.edu/mleldrid/American/mp&ml.html
(http://www.philosophy.uncc.edu/mleldrid/American/mp&ml.htma
How's that?
Chin
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