MD The MOQ and Mysticism 101

From: Mark Steven Heyman (
Date: Tue Dec 21 2004 - 00:22:58 GMT

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    Hi all,

    Please humor me with this thread. I feel I need to get a handle on
    this mysticism stuff, and how it relates to the MOQ and to philosophy
    in general. I'm enjoying the learned discussion carried on for,
    what, years now between Sam and DMB, and believe I'm getting a feel
    for the general idea; but now I'm hearing that Socrates was a mystic,
    and William Blake, and Joan of Arc, and maybe Pirsig, and Augustine
    and Francis of Assisi, and Edgar Allen Poe, and Dylan Thomas and
    Frank Zappa (well maybe that was me who said that)... But you get the

    So, some questions: do any human beings live a more or less normal
    life-span, and NOT have several mystical experiences? Is mystical
    revelation the rule or the exception, OR the sine qua non, of being
    human? Is a mystical experience something more than briefly "seeing"
    that reality is undivided, seeing the veins in a flower and knowing
    they are yours? Knowing that killing anything is killing a part of
    yourself? Touching the bark of a tree and touching one's own skin,
    and knowing that what you touch are one and the same? That is,
    what's the difference between a "Mystic" and me?

    As usual, thanks for any thoughtful comments.

    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)

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