From: Gert-Jan Peeters (gjpeeters@wish.nl)
Date: Sun Feb 02 2003 - 21:44:17 GMT
This post is about: 1.specialists, 2. How some of us become lurkers, 3. a
first step to narrow the gap between MoQ discussion group subjects and our
daily life experiences.
Hi Mari, others..
Mari said:
It occured to me that one thing that would have to be sorted out in order to
impliment a plan would be to figure out what every member was "best" at.
She continued>
In the several months here in the MoQdg i don't know what anyones specialty
is. And then theres the item that *WE* would work on....what could that be?
Where/what might we experiment on something to see if it can work. Nothing
has ever been suggested as far as i know.
So once again: Why are "WE" not working together to implement something
*practical* beside a conversation in a vacuum? If nothing else why not
through a few possibilities into the discussion?
GJ says now:
If I understand you well, you suggest we should narrow the gap between the
things we talk about here and our daily life experiences. Do I understand
you well if I put it like this?
I agree, Mari, that we are sitting on a precious gem here. People from all
around the world come here and share their ideas with each other. People
from all over the globe. But if one listens to our conversations, he
wouldn't hear any difference between someone from Moskow who has a
completely different lifestyle than, for example, I have.
I sometimes wonder how many people are on the list currently. Horse knows,
probably. And, like you suggest, how big could the 'sum' be when the parts
would work together. Or.. at least, not working against each other. (not
that we are, offcourse :-) )
I notice that a lot of people are 'specialists' on certain matter. To call
yourself a specialist in a field is a bit out of the ordinary. We rather
have someone else to call us a specialist. The idea of telling the MoQdg
about how great you are on certain matter is a bit strange. We rather wait
until some subject comes allong where we find 'ourselves' in. But, most of
the time, the difficulty of the conversation is jumping from 'common sense'
to 'highly academic'. If you haven't read 'the complete history of western
philosophy' but are just grasped by ZMM and Lila you can't follow what is
going on. It makes you wonder if you belong between such 'philosophical
greatness'. It makes you 'wait'. Let's wait until i've found some more
evidence to support my thoughts. And instead of sharing your experiences
with 'your global friends', you sit back and read the other posts. Not
knowing that the Pattern of the MoQ has silenced you. The discussion group
where you expected to experience the same 'feeling of release' you had after
zmm and lila, is now showing you another brick wall. Or, is it?
Theoretically the MoQ discussion group can never be extinguished by its own
patterns. Can it?
Mari, In another thread you asked me>
GJ, What is it that you do when not looking into Reiki? Where do you live?
I think you asked this question to start some kind of a 'What do you do
with the MoQ, and how is it affecting your life'- thread. Maybe seeking for
a common ground to start from.
Well then, here it goes:
I am a school teacher. I'm currently trying to bring 23 eleven year olds
in contact with the MoQ. trying to find out if it makes teaching easier. To
do that I made a giant poster with boxes piled on top of each other that
visualizes the levels of the MoQ. It is a piramid up side down. They
understand that one can be succesfull in different area's and that the giant
white cloud above those boxes visualizes the undiscovered area that the
world left there for them. 'Maybe one of you will find a new box', I tell
them.. 'go there and enjoy'
I don't know a lot of the philosophies of the past like plato and
Wittgenstein. I tried on several occasions to read and remember what they
said, but I don't seem to be interested enough to hold their words in my
mind. And their words don't give me much social use for I don't have
academic people around me who have similar vocabulair. Only the MoQ.
So, the connection between my daily life and the MoQ is primary
'translating' happenings into worldviews and vice versa. Like with the
thread about reiki, I try to find a manual for this mental motorcycle. I
searched a long time for a reason why I was so interested in finding a way
to use our mental possibilities. After reading ZMM and LILA, I don't bother
about that annymore. To be Curious is enough. It means that 'something'
wants to know and it uses me to find out.
So, Am I a specialist? Well.. I believe it was Pirsig who said: 'If no one
can help you with a certain problem you have, then you are a specialist on
that matter." or something similar.
Well.. How do you suggest to go further
GJ
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