From: john williams (ducati900@bigpond.com)
Date: Mon Feb 03 2003 - 12:19:37 GMT
Hi Sam,
My response was based on comments you made that I assumed were aimed at me,
it's OK I've got big shoulders and I'm not afraid to defend myself. Thanks
for pointing out the spelling mistake I tapped that out so quickly I wasn't
even thinking about the spelling. As Wittgenstien said, " it'sall about the
grammar".
I don't believe Empire America is in anyones interest.
I'm Australian and live in a small village (about 800) with one outstanding
feature, it is so outstanding in fact that they named the village after it,
that's right, "The Rock".
What I find interesting is that I agree with you that Suddam must go I just
don't like president Shrub pretending that he is doing it for the right
reasons.
I wouldn't call your post on going to war the veiws of a conservative
either, seems pretty radical to me.
John from The Rock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wim Nusselder" <wim.nusselder@antenna.nl>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: MD The Quality of removing Saddam Hussein from power.
> Sent on behalf of Sam (Elizaphanian) who is currently having problems with
> his e-mail account:
>
>
> Hi John from the Rock,
>
> Are you from Gibraltar? (Sorry if you've explained that before; must have
> missed it if you did).
>
> > So, it is much better if you are detailed and wrong, than being to the
> > point and right.
>
> I think his attitude was that there are trivial objections and substantial
> objections. When involved in the free play of ideas and debate, trivial
> objections are a hindrance not a help. They're the sort of objections that
> the person concerned would make for themselves as soon as they started to
> put down an idea in formal, 'official' language ie, as soon as they moved
> away from the informal arena.
>
> An example of a shallow objection - pointing out that it is 'hear, hear',
> not 'here, here' when you wish to express agreement with another person's
> thoughts.
>
> An example of a good objection - Wim asking me how I reconciled what I had
> written with just war theory. I hadn't taken the trouble to work through
the
> points before; doing so helped me to clarify things in my own mind (and
> hopefully clarified my approach for Wim).
>
> > I like Wittgenstein, he involved himself in something that when he
> realised
> > he was wrong he changed his point of view.
> >
>
> One of Wittgenstein's friends (Keynes) said something to this effect:
"When
> the facts change, sir, I change my mind. What do you do?" I've changed my
> mind about quite a few things since subscribing to this forum. It's a
great
> place - it allows genuine meetings of minds. I hope my understanding will
> carry on improving for a long time. Who knows, perhaps one day I'll come
to
> a complete agreement with DMB (grin).
>
> Cheers! It's been good to meet your mind over the last few months.
>
> Sam
>
> "A good objection helps one forward, a shallow objection, even if it is
> valid, is wearisome." Wittgenstein
>
>
>
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