Re: MD Undeniable Facts

From: Trivik (
Date: Mon Apr 21 2003 - 06:26:22 BST

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    > Iin the case of arithmetic, just from
    > the axioms one can produce such things as "2 + 2 = 4" and Goedel's theorem.
    > On the other hand, from mathematical axioms one can't say anything about
    > value,

    this is actully an interesting point. all we can do in the system is
    derive stuff like "2 + 2 = 4" but this says nothing about the numbers
    themselves. how is it that we interpret, transfer the meaning of 2 into
    the rearl worl is another story completely. When do we say we see two
    objects? to what stuff in the rearl world can one apply aritemitic. this
    is not explained, and may be seen as a leap. it is quality itself that
    lets us do this.

    > I would call them "verbal (or conceptual) starting points", not axioms.
    yes, we necisarly do this all at every moment (how do you even follow

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