From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Oct 08 2003 - 19:21:12 BST
Hi Wim
Thanks for reply. I wondered what other people thought.
I very much agree with what you have to say. I think associating
DQ with agency opens up some interesting problems:
About how we can use the notion of agency beyond human agency.
About how DQ and agency and free will are an aspect of human identity
that can be isolated from the SQ aspects of human identity, so that human
identity is a matter of SQ and DQ and not just a matter of SQ as some
people seem to think.
I think that agency has to be associated with DQ and I think this
questions the idea of associating all aspects of intelligence with SQ
levels.
I think we have to think about SQ and DQ as linked respectively
to space and time. And clearly human identity is closely tied up
with body-space and time-activity.
Equally being determined is linked to being bodies in space,
and being free/contingent/active is about activity in the present
that is capable (active) or not (contingent) of take the future/possible
into account.
regards
David Morey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wim Nusselder" <wim.nusselder@antenna.nl>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: MD Intellectual level - New letter from Pirsig
> Dear David M.,
>
> You asked 1 Oct 2003 19:08:58 +0100 & 7 Oct 2003 18:14:30 +0100 about
> agency.
> Am I right to associate 'agency' with 'free will'? Then your opposite
> (result of absence of agency), 'patterns/repetition' would associate with
> 'determination'. Then Pirsig's answer would apply: we have agency to the
> extent that we follow DQ and are determined to the extent that we follow
sq.
> Agency doesn't seem an epi-phenomenon to me then. It is the force that
> drives (or lures) evolution. ("All life is a migration of static patterns
of
> quality toward Dynamic Quality." according to 'Lila' chapter 11.) Static
> quality (in all its diversity of patterns of value) then charts the paths
of
> evolution, the options chosen by that agent.
> I'm not sure that agency should always be thought of as located in
> individuals. Before homo sapiens appeared or even before the 3rd century
BC
> it certainly wasn't. Ultimately the 'agent' may be DQ itself.
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Wim
>
>
>
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