From: Matt poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 12 2004 - 21:59:06 GMT
Hello,
I have been glancing over the previous thread, but never posted because I
don't really know.
However, after reading this post, it piqued my interest.
David : I certainly agree that whatever is useful in the SOM
can be retained in the MOQ, but I see no problem with changing
the language of SOM and even dropping subject and object entirely.
(>-POOT-<) I have been thinking a little over the past while, whether the
'next step' would be to drop the S/O way of thinking. In ZMM, when pirsig
'goes insane' (I would like to think of it as becoming sane, but I don't
really know what he experienced), he says that he was thinking outside of
_our_ mythos(S/O). After reading that, it made sense to me in an obvious
way, but I was still not sure if this was the direction we must go.
David:IT WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF OUR HISTORY
AND ITS FRUITS WILL REMAIN WITH US, LIKE GREAT TECHNOLGICAL POWER &
PRODUCTIVITY)
-=*POOT*=- The way I have thought of this, is that the S/O mindset has been
part of the process in the evolution towards a truly new manner of thinking.
An analogy, could be that
S/O = Neanderthal
QualitySOM = Space race
however, I have a question relating to that analogy.... Would the "next
step" be just SOM, or some sort of MOQ-SOM? like SQ-DQ?
However, doesn't Static Quality represent objects? Although it could
represent 'truths'.
Would DQ represent something like the 'subject' we know?
What do you think?
Poot
P.S. Concerning my analogy, the reason I chose "Space race", is that I
believe there has to be a fundamental change in thought, in order for
mankind as a whole to be able to have a concerted effort to exploring the
stars. I chose neanderthal, because right now, (and all of our past) we
seem not to be concerned with progress, which would be a result of more
awareness of quality, and MOQ, etc. But this is another topic altogether
(hence the P.S)
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