From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu Mar 18 2004 - 07:29:48 GMT
Dear Matt P. and Don (drose),
Matt wrote 17 Mar 2004 21:43:41 -0500:
'I do believe that democracy (in theory) is a good societal structure, when
you subtract capitalism . Socialism (in theory) is also, is similarly
suitable for equality (in theory). Or perhaps Liberalism (what is it,
really?) But this is not a political forum, right>?'
Discussing ABOUT POLITICS (as part of our experience with all its social and
intellectual patterns of value) in an intellectual way (testing and forming
our own intellectual patterns of value, combinations of 'symbols that stand
for patterns of experience') is not a problem. The problem is discussing IN
A POLITICAL WAY, given the polarization among the majority of Americans
participating in our discussion.
Don wrote 16 Mar 2004 20:05:01 -0500:
'Begging pardon, but politics plays a role in every group;-)'
In the first sense ('discussion ABOUT politics') it doesn't play a role in
EVERY group, but yes, it does in THIS one (and I'm fine with that). In the
second sense it does: To the extent that a group is close group that needs
social patterns of value to maintain itself, some sort of 'internal
politics' can be distinguished in those social patterns of value. This
micro-political climate need not mirror the macro-political climate and I
would personally much prefer not to have it mirror the polarized American
macro-political climate.
Don, the way you described the relations between the Q-levels is muddled
from my point of view (even if you mixed in some phrases from Pirsig) and
didn't really go into the way I described them. Just denying my description
doesn't help our discussion further.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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