Re: MD junk or politics on this list

From: steve (arborealman@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Apr 13 2004 - 03:17:06 BST

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    Wow. I just read that whole line. Icant believe we're both Steve P's. From
    now on I'll sign as arborealman. Thanks Steve P. [arborealman].
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Steve Peterson" <peterson.steve@verizon.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:43 PM
    Subject: Re: MD junk or politics on this list

    > Hi Platt,
    >
    > You addressed:
    > > Steve P.
    > >
    >
    > The one who signs Steve P has something like arborealman for his e-mail
    > address. I've always just used "Steve" which has now gotten confusing
    > especially since it seems arboreal Steve and I are both Steve P's. I'm
    > not sure what to do.
    >
    > >> Do you support gay marriage?
    > >
    > > No.
    >
    > That's what I thought. Do you support a Constitutional amendment
    > banning gay marriage?
    >
    > >
    > >> Where do you think the gay marriage issue fits
    > >> in with the state versus individual war?
    > >
    > > The state isn't obligated to grant benefits to individuals whose
    > > choice of
    > > partners hinders procreation on which the state depends for its
    > > survival.
    > >
    >
    > I'm not at all surprised by your view, but it seems contradictory to
    > your claim of support for the individual over the collective. That's
    > why I brought it up.
    >
    > You said: "The state wants its citizens to behave in certain,
    > predictable ways by
    > following its rituals, laws and mores. For the state to survive (or any
    > group for that matter) it must lay down rules and practices governing
    > relations among individuals in the group. Thus, the social level's
    > highest
    > morality is static conformity."
    >
    > I agree. A great example is society's disdain for homosexuality. The
    > state would love to see nice ordered male/female roles and today we see
    > the state trying to lay down rules and practices governing sexual
    > relations to that end.
    >
    > You also said: "The individual by contrast, while recognizing the
    > necessary role of the
    > state, wants to be recognized as unique human being and not just another
    > cog in a machine. She wants to be the means to her own ends, not the
    > ends
    > of others. Most of of all, she wants to be free to act and speak
    > according
    > to dictates of her own intellect, not the dictates of politically
    > correct
    > thought imposed by the state."
    >
    > Again, I strongly agree. The homosexual does not accept society's
    > purpose for her of producing new citizens nor should any individual
    > accept being the means to society's ends. She wants to be free to act
    > and speak according to the dictates of her own intellect. I can
    > understand that "the state isn't obligated to grant benefits to
    > individuals whose choice of partners hinders procreation on which the
    > state depends for its survival," but I don't see why individuals
    > shouldn't support the state extending rights (actually, in this case,
    > to not take away rights) to others since we both see rights as
    > protections of the individual from the dictates imposed by the state.
    >
    > > Hope this answers your question. Note the lack of contortions to make
    > > the
    > > point. :-)
    > >
    >
    > Do you think that homosexuality is immoral?
    >
    > The simple answer that most conservatives give for this type of
    > question is that it is simply wrong. It just is. Or that the Bible
    > says it's wrong or my church says its wrong or God says it's wrong.
    > These are simple uncontorted answers but their simplicity is their only
    > virtue.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Steve Peterson
    >
    >
    >
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