From: steve (arborealman@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Apr 13 2004 - 03:13:49 BST
Thats correct sir. I sign Steve P. to differentiate myself from Steve. E.
mail is arborealman@comcast.net. Steve P.
@comcast.net. Steve P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Peterson" <peterson.steve@verizon.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: MD junk or politics on this list
> Hi Platt,
>
> You addressed:
> > Steve P.
> >
>
> The one who signs Steve P has something like arborealman for his e-mail
> address. I've always just used "Steve" which has now gotten confusing
> especially since it seems arboreal Steve and I are both Steve P's. I'm
> not sure what to do.
>
> >> Do you support gay marriage?
> >
> > No.
>
> That's what I thought. Do you support a Constitutional amendment
> banning gay marriage?
>
> >
> >> Where do you think the gay marriage issue fits
> >> in with the state versus individual war?
> >
> > The state isn't obligated to grant benefits to individuals whose
> > choice of
> > partners hinders procreation on which the state depends for its
> > survival.
> >
>
> I'm not at all surprised by your view, but it seems contradictory to
> your claim of support for the individual over the collective. That's
> why I brought it up.
>
> You said: "The state wants its citizens to behave in certain,
> predictable ways by
> following its rituals, laws and mores. For the state to survive (or any
> group for that matter) it must lay down rules and practices governing
> relations among individuals in the group. Thus, the social level's
> highest
> morality is static conformity."
>
> I agree. A great example is society's disdain for homosexuality. The
> state would love to see nice ordered male/female roles and today we see
> the state trying to lay down rules and practices governing sexual
> relations to that end.
>
> You also said: "The individual by contrast, while recognizing the
> necessary role of the
> state, wants to be recognized as unique human being and not just another
> cog in a machine. She wants to be the means to her own ends, not the
> ends
> of others. Most of of all, she wants to be free to act and speak
> according
> to dictates of her own intellect, not the dictates of politically
> correct
> thought imposed by the state."
>
> Again, I strongly agree. The homosexual does not accept society's
> purpose for her of producing new citizens nor should any individual
> accept being the means to society's ends. She wants to be free to act
> and speak according to the dictates of her own intellect. I can
> understand that "the state isn't obligated to grant benefits to
> individuals whose choice of partners hinders procreation on which the
> state depends for its survival," but I don't see why individuals
> shouldn't support the state extending rights (actually, in this case,
> to not take away rights) to others since we both see rights as
> protections of the individual from the dictates imposed by the state.
>
> > Hope this answers your question. Note the lack of contortions to make
> > the
> > point. :-)
> >
>
> Do you think that homosexuality is immoral?
>
> The simple answer that most conservatives give for this type of
> question is that it is simply wrong. It just is. Or that the Bible
> says it's wrong or my church says its wrong or God says it's wrong.
> These are simple uncontorted answers but their simplicity is their only
> virtue.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Peterson
>
>
>
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