From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Apr 30 2004 - 19:02:45 BST
On 28 April 2004 8:28 PM storeyd writes:
Dave:
In the Preface to his "bible" (sex, ecology, spirituality), Wilber addresses
the issue of this label, "metaphysics", and interestingly, he says almost
exactly the same thing as pirsig, but in different words. he says that he
assumes it will be charged that what he is trying to do is "metaphysics",
and that critics will debunk his whole system based on the unstability of
metaphysical foundations in general. Yet Wilber asserts quite boldly that
if
what he is doing is not based on direct, empircal experience, there is not a
metaphysical sentence in the book. in short, both he and pirsig are
resurrecting metaphysics on the basis of science (understood as an
epistemological pluralism, where the bounds of the laboratory extend beyond
the chemistry lab.
Hi Dave, and all,
joe: i am pleased to meet you Dave. Thank You! for your response.
You will make no points by capilalizing Wilber's name and not pirsig's.
I do not accept that MOQ is resurrecting metaphysics on the basis of science
(understood as an epistemological pluralism, where the bounds of the
laboratoiry extend beyond the chemistry lab.) Pirsig makes it very clear
that Dynamic Quality is undefined. Dynamic Quallity, mystical experience,
is manifest in MOQ. DQ is not an experience of 'epistemological pluralism'.
I have aversion to the words of SOM based upon a split of 'existence' into
intentional and real existence.
Anyhow, just trying to spur you on to
explore Wilber with the same spirit with which you embrace Pirsig; honestly
i'd be interested to hear about any differences or inconsistencies you
unearth. Best,
-Dave
joe: thank you! for your unbiased view as far as capitals go, I don't think
a spur is necessary.
Joe Maurer
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