Re: MF Money

From: Kirk Rankin (kriketkrankin@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Jun 08 2004 - 18:06:28 BST

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    Jaap said,
    > P.S. Maybe money can be described as a mechanism
    > employed by the social
    > level to suppress some elements of the biological
    > level ?

       I think he is pretty much correct on this aspect of
    money. To some extent money became a substitute for
    our biological needs, instead of worrying about
    getting food or shelter we harnessed that energy into
    gaining money in a capitalist society, the ultimate
    evolution of society. This is one of the major ways
    in which sociey was able to use biological needs as a
    tool to create cooperation and conformity to its
    system. One must participate in the system and
    maximize productivity in order to survive.
       In this way it also represses some biological
    desires which are undesirable to society. In ZMM
    Pirsig says we should "do what you want." However, I
    believe in Lila he partially retracts this statement
    by saying that some of the talk of the sixties came
    out of an attempt to free our biological repression,
    which is immoral. Repression is necessary in society,
    society will not allow for people to simply do what
    they want. Money allows society a control over
    people's biological wants by forcing them to be
    consistent and productive, to conform to societal
    values.
       Having evolved to an intellectual level, many
    people have felt that money was no longer necessary.
    The socialist utopian ideal said people could do what
    they want, that repression was not necessary for
    society. Although it is hard to say if their society
    is possible, this idea can really be seen as part of
    its necessary attack on society. The failing of the
    intellectual level is that it tries to free our
    biological instincts even though the social level was
    necessarily created to repress these biological
    instincts. When these biological desires are released
    at the expense of society, this is degenerative and
    immoral.
       The real question is, as an individual, why does
    money still have such a grip on us, even when we
    intellectually accept that money is unimportant. I
    too have this desire to accumulate large amounts of
    money, even though I understand that it will really
    buy me nothing of high value, so I end up simply
    hoarding.
       In some ways money is part of society's mythos. In
    ZMM Phaedrus encountered tremendous problems in moving
    out of our intellectual mythos. The "good" of money
    is something so deeply built into our societal
    structures and ourselves that it takes incredible
    individual Dynamic movement to escape from it, more
    than just an intellectual understanding of its
    worthlessness at a certain point.
       To a large extent I think it also comes from the
    fact that we are still members of society, we all have
    some desire for social conformity or acceptance. In
    Lila Rigel said, "Other people matter." As the
    spokesman for the societal level, and by no
    coincidence a wealthy lawyer, Rigel speaks of the
    necessity of social relationships.
       In Lila Phaedrus also speaks of his isolation and
    loneliness at times, how he can't communicate with
    Lila. This shows that even those who recognize
    society as a lower level still long for meaningful
    relationships. Whether our existing societal
    structure helps to provide them is another question
    entirely, but regardless our longing for contact with
    others helps to reinforce the social good as our good,
    as an intrinsic good. Thus we still have a deep
    attatchement to money that is hard to shake.

    Thanks,
    Kirk

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