RE: MF Discussion Topic for May 2005 - individual worth

From: Matt Kundert (pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat May 14 2005 - 00:50:34 BST

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    I think Sam raises some very good questions and begins a very good analysis.

      The literary quality of Pirsig’s books make for the pulling out of
    philosophical theses difficult and dangerous work, and I think that’s
    intended. In what follows, I’m going to comment on Sam’s starter post and
    offer a few different readings of the books. I think all of them are
    consonant with Rick and Sam’s readings, and in the end they offer no real
    positive answer to Sam’s questions. I don’t say that because I don’t think
    there is no answer to them. In fact, I will keep offering answers as I go
    along, but the reason I don’t think this is a positive answer will hopefully
    be a little clearer by the end.

    First, I want to say that I think Sam’s questions are far more interesting
    than some of the questions asked by others about the systematic structure of
    the MoQ. Those questions can be important, or at least reach a level of
    some importance, but I question the desire to construct a systematic
    metaphysics out of Pirsig's writings. Pirsig's writings are the way they
    are precisely because Pirsig doesn't want to simply create a metaphysics.
    That would simply be at the intellectual level, when the point of _both_
    books, as Sam points out, is to present all the facets together to show that
    all of them are needed. And all of them together are arête, wisdom, the
    pursuit of individual worth.

    In other words, I think Sam’s right when he tentatively suggests that arête
    should be identified with the entire forest of static patterns because an
    “individual,” a “person,” is just that forest. We don't _have_ the forest,
    we are the forest. I think this might also be just another way of saying
    that arête is Dynamic Quality (though the reasons for this I can’t explore
    right now). And pursuing philosophy, which we can broadly call the pursuit
    of wisdom and seeing how things hang together, fits naturally with the
    metaphor Sam’s brought out of Lila: seeing how our forest hangs together
    brings us wisdom, particularly as we try and change the forest (which is the
    DQ/SQ dynamic). So, pursuing simply a Metaphysics of Quality may be
    helpful, but it isn't the whole thing (as many would, and certainly should,
    acknowledge). The whole thing is seeing the whole thing together, the
    breaking it into parts may help us to see. This actually brings me to why I
    find it much more interesting to write about Pirsig not in a systematic kind
    of a way, but in a literary-reading kind of a way. I don't want to
    construct a metaphysical system as some do, I want to read the novels with
    all their rhetorical tools and tropes and metaphors and analogies and
    excavate their meaning and significance that way. And I think, it would
    seem, Pirsig would say that that would be the best way to do it, because
    otherwise you lose sight of the whole.

    I’d now like to offer a few very general readings of ZMM, in the hopes of
    supporting some of the things I’ve said so far. (I think these readings are
    entirely aligned with Rick’s reading.) I think the way to read the book is
    as a philosophical dialogue the same way as Plato's dialogues are read, but
    even more complicated (if that's possible). Despite the fact that we know
    Socrates is the hero, what we don't know, because of Socratic irony, is what
    Socrates means. Many have read irony to mean the simple contradiction of
    what is said. Alexander Nehamas, though (in his brilliant book, The Art of
    Living), argues that irony isn’t as easy as all that. Irony completely
    hides the direction of meaning, so you don’t know whether a basic,
    contradictory 180 is intended, or something completely other. (And it is
    hidden not only from the audience, but from the ironist themselves.) So the
    philosophy of Socrates is always obscured, behind a curtain, never available
    for direct scrutiny. You can only see it out of the corner of your eye
    because wherever Socrates is pointing is not the direction he necessarily
    wants you looking.

    I would argue that the same thing is going on in ZMM except we don't even
    know who the hero is until the end, and even then you are left wondering if
    we should think that. The book is soaked in allegory and irony and the
    author's point of view is only available out of the corner of your eye. It
    is written to be a philosophical journey, a journey that takes you through a
    set of hoops and stages but has no definite end point. It is designed to
    make you think, but not necessarily about any particular thing, let alone
    any particular way. So Pirsig is both all of the views, as Rick quotes
    Pirsig as saying, and _none of the views_ of ZMM. And I think this type of
    reading is going on in Lila, too, though the book isn't nearly so cleverly
    or fantastically crafted (much as Plato lost his craft as you move from the
    early to the later dialogues).

    So reading ZMM for doctrinal points, for philosophical theses, is frought
    with peril as you are never sure what Pirsig means. All you have is the
    Narrator's presentation, but by the middle of the book you are led to wonder
    who's in control of the show (having learned of Phaedrus' real identity),
    and by the end of the book, after Phaedrus' triumphant return, you are led
    to wonder at what point Phaedrus began to dominate the Narrator, and so the
    presentation of the book itself. What we are left with, I think, are a
    clear series of philosophical episodes that start by being dominated by the
    Narrator, but are gradually replaced by Phaedrus' concerns, so "Narrator
    sections" (like the section on gumption) come fewer and fewer, until you
    reach the end of the book which is an extended meditation on Phaedrus'
    experience in Chicago. And as I mentioned, the most complicated feature of
    this whole model is that we don't know who the hero is, Narrator or
    Phaedrus. The Narrator through the beginning half of the book makes
    Phaedrus look like the bad guy, but through our extended ponderings over
    Phaedrus' demise we are made to feel sympathetic for Phaedrus which leads us
    to view Phaedrus as the hero, which reflects in the book by Phaedrus'
    triumph. The way ZMM is written is to have us move in stages through our
    feelings for the Narrator and Phaedrus and with the action in the book
    unfolding as a reflection of _our_ feelings towards the preceding action.
    As our feelings for Phaedrus wax, so does his dominance in the story. This
    of course brings us to the perplexing and infinitely interesting conclusion
    that the real audience of the story is the Author himself, not knowing how
    the book is going to end until he gets there because he is taking the
    journey with us, witnessing the events again as we see them for the first
    time, but the journey he is on is a psychical one. He changes as the story
    unfolds, but that is the point for us also: we are supposed to change
    through the story. But because of the obfuscating mask of irony, the change
    intended is hidden even to us.

    I suggested once somewhere (in a post I think), that we should read ZMM as
    having three main characters, Narrator, Phaedrus, and the Author, and we
    should read them in the fashion of Plato's Allegory of the Charioteer (which
    is from Plato's Phaedrus and Pirsig touches on it briefly in ZMM): two
    separate horses, both at war with each other, pulling the chariot in two
    different directions (though not necessarily completely in opposite
    directions; think of the physical description of a chariot allegorically and
    then remember that (as Nehamas argues) irony does not mean that a statement
    means the opposite of what it says, but simply something different) and the
    charioteer is trying to find a mean course between the two. The Narrator
    and Phaedrus are warring over the Author's mind. Now, Pirsig says that the
    difference between the Narrator and Phaedrus is the difference between
    social and intellectual patterns. I think this a bad description. I think
    a better description (as I suggest in "Confessions") is between the
    Pragmatist Impulse and the Metaphysical Impulse. And after suitable
    revision of the nature that Sam’s begun in the "Eudaimonic MoQ," these
    should both be seen as two impulses in the _social_ level, namely because
    the intellectual level eventually collapses into it. What's left for a
    fourth level is the creation of the individual--something that I think a
    prominent Greek scholar argues occured in Greece, though not for the reasons
    Pirsig says. Pirsig thinks something important occured in Greece because
    philosophy started--so he calls the fourth level the "intellectual level."
    The scholar I'm thinking of (hell if I can remember his name) thinks
    something important occured in Greece because democracy started. I think
    this is why we should follow Sam in calling the fourth level eudaimonic.

    So, in answer to Sam’s broad question: I think Sam’s perfectly right when he
    suggests that the MoQ, as the end product of the “philosophically conflicted
    free-thinker trying to get his beliefs to hang together,” as Rick
    excellently called Pirsig, doesn’t accommodate the notion of arête very
    well. I think Sam is right in calling the social/intellectual distinction
    into question. The social/intellectual distinction seems to divorce truth
    from social opinion which I think is the exact point of Pirsig’s
    “discreteness” claim for the static levels. However, I also think Rick is
    right in calling Lila the “portrait” of this conflicted free-thinker.

    In the end, I think, a moment of deconstruction is called for. Sam points
    out an allegorical motif I had never really thought of in Lila, between the
    MoQ hierarchy and the major “characters” (which includes the boat and the
    river). I like it, but if I may press the allegory, I think it deconstructs
    itself on just the basis I pointed out above, just as Plato’s allegories
    deconstruct themselves (as people like Derrida have been pointing out for
    years). If we are to take the book as a portrait of a thinker, with the
    characters struggling internally in the book as the thinker struggles
    internally, then the creation of the Metaphysics of Quality is no less a
    part of that struggle. The MoQ, as a creation of Phaedrus’, is an
    intellectual pattern, which by its own lights is an independently
    manipulable construct. Part of that construct is the notion of
    independence, and it is just there that it deconstructs along
    Wittgensteinian lines about the very notion of language’s independence from
    social opinion. But that, in the end I think, is no big problem because of
    the literary quality of the book I mentioned at the outset. Literature was
    long thought of as being more opaque to meaning than things like philosophy
    and science. The deconstruction of this dualism between opaque subjects
    like literature and clear subjects like philosophy is, I would suggest, one
    aim of the books. This leaves us in the position we were always in:
    interpreting the text. I think the aim of the books, in offering a portrait
    of a thinker, puts the emphasis on our interpretation of the books, not the
    interpretation of the thinker itself (which is called “authorial
    intention”). When Pirsig emphasizes the living of life and the gaining of
    arête and wisdom, I think he’s forcing us to make of life, and his books,
    what we will. All the questions raised by the books will be our questions
    because our participation in the creation of the philosophy of the books is
    demanded. The answers will be our answers.

    I think the triumph of ZMM is that it was almost entirely effectual, rather
    than doctrinal. It has an effect on us, though the effect is entirely
    personal to each person. “And what is good, Phaedrus,/And what is not
    good—/Need we ask anyone these things?” I think the mistake of Lila is that
    it came off as too doctrinal, as creating a philosophical doctrine that we
    should toe the line of. The creation of these doctrines is not bad. Those
    of us who call ourselves “philosophers” all have them, these “philosophical
    theses.” My effort in reading Pirsig’s philosophy, however, has been to
    point out what I think are the mistakes of some of these theses that seem to
    come out of Pirsig’s writings, much more out of Lila than ZMM. As Rick says
    cheekily, I think we should “cheer on Phaedrus when he talks like a
    pragmatist and just stare at the ground innocently whistling when he starts
    cozying up to Socrates [the Platonic parvenu].” Seeing Pirsig as a whole
    thinker, he’s right when he says that philosophy is just one of those things
    we do. Having “philosophical theses” is just one of the things we do. I
    just happen to think some of the ones he seems to have are bad ones. The
    spirit of Pirsig, though, is to see the whole of life, not just philosophy.

    And in this, I think, we can all agree.

    Matt

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