Hello David and everyone
David:
I really couldn't understand your post of Jan 13. Clearly we live
in two different worlds when it comes to the MOQ. Sorry. :-(
Glove:
David, please, no need for apologies, it happens all the time and i am used
to it by now, believe me. allow me to expound briefly on some other points
you bring up in the hopes of shedding some light on what i wish for you to
see.
David:
We rely of the static
patterns of value to remain as nature intended so that we can predict
the effect of our manipulations.
Glove:
in a way you are right here, but only partly. we rely on PERCEIVED static
patterns of value and not the patterns themselves. this is seemingly a very
minor and irrelevant point until its grasped. if you and i live in two
different worlds, this is the source of the difference-ness, in my opinion.
David:
Yes the levels do come into contact with each other and there is
often conflict. That's what the first four moral codes are about;
resolving those conflicts.
Glove:
i disagree here. the levels may SEEM to "come into contact with each other"
but that is only because we are unable to perceive Dynamic Quality directly.
if you look at Pirsig's diagram in his SODV paper you will perhaps better
understand what i am saying.
David:
The intellect's radical freedom
results in a seperation from direct contact with Dynamic Quality. The
other three levels are in direct contact with Dynamic Quality. They
operate just fine without the intellect, came into existence before the
intellect, and their patterns evolve purley due to Dynamic Quality. The
trick is that those levels are within us. Your inorganic, organic and
social patterns are in direct contact with Dynamic Quality right now.
They "know" something your intellect doesn't. Your body and unconscious
mind are in direct contact with Dynamic Quality.
Glove:
you have things backwards here, in my opinion of course. i will use your
words to explain why:
David:
I'll stick with your real life example of the recent change in
attitudes about smoking and smokers. It reminds of a passage in ZMM.
Pirsig says he knows intellectually that its bad for him, but he does it
anyway, cause it feels good. His biological patterns don't realize the
danger and actually value the experience.
see my point?
David, hopefully this little email will clarify my position for you.
best wishes,
glove
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