Re: MD On Faith

From: Erin (
Date: Mon Oct 25 2004 - 14:17:57 BST

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    Now I really wish there was a dissenter of MOQ here because my guess is that your answer wouldn't convince them. I think they would say you are falling back on "values" when you have doubt/ can't think past a point. I am not sure i am really following your example. Why did you change principles to values ( the principles are values?).
    I am not sure about how you think "conscious choice" is the difference, so all faith is unconscious is what you are trying to argue?


    ml <> wrote:
    Time to kick the wasps' nest...
    Since faith is what people tend to fall back on
    when they have substantial doubt, can't think
    /understand past a certain point, and are not
    comfortable with the implications of that state,
    then (changing your example slightly) using the
    PRINCIPLES of the MoQ to guide decisions is not
    faith, but conscious choice instead.
    Of course in a SOM society it is the fastest way
    to incite one's own removal from office fastest.
    (probably with a non-approved strategy for
    administration change) Lots of embedded
    investment in SOM...
    Quality, expressed as attributes of being is in
    large measure apprehensible, faith is not needed.
    Revealed truth, cloaked in miracle, wrapped in
    dogma, encysted in bureaucracy, ossified in
    social teaching requires faith to keep the original
    flicker alight.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Erin
    Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:10 PM
    Subject: MD On Faith

    Kerry pressed his attack on the president's record in new television ads, while on the campaign trail he sought to strike a more inspirational tone, saying in a speech on faith that values he practices as a Roman Catholic "will guide me as president."

    What if he said that "values that he practices as an MOQer will guide me as president". Is that faith, why or why not? ( I am not asking the difference between RC and MOQ---I just want to know why using MoQ is/ is not faith in quality). Answer this as if I was skeptic of MOQ.




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