Re: MD Is Morality Relative?

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 05:14:46 GMT

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    On 5 Dec 2004 at 8:11, Platt Holden wrote:
    Of course, asserting that it's good to view theories as provisional
    is itself an absolute, unless that assertion too is provisional, ad
    infinitum.

    msh says:
    A classic example of discussion termination via The Holden
    Circularity.

    platt to steve:
    You asked:
    > I brought up this issue, because it concerns the issue of
    > homosexuality. People opposed to gay rights often claim to hate
    the
    > sin and not the sinner. In other words, they consider the
    > homosexual act itself to be simply wrong. Is this your view?

    platt:
    No. But, some of the behaviors leading to the act I consider wrong
    such as soliciting innocents to participate in the act.

    msh says:
    The solicitation of innocents is not limited to homosexual behavior.
    This is an example of Platteral Shift.

    > I think there may be an important disagreement between the MOQ and
    > formalism, since the "absolute" of the MOQ is not to be taken as
    > absolute as the Christian God or the Founding Father's Natural Law
    > but rather as a high Quality intellectual pattern of value. What do
    > you think?

    platt:
    Well, the scale of Quality from low to high is an absolute although
    where to place a particular idea or behavior on that scale is a
    matter of personal preference guided by Pirsig's hierarchy.

    msh asks:
    Where does Pirsig describe absolute Quality? Are you suggesting that
    Pirsig claims some end-point to evolution? The sense I get is that
    Quality leads us, but never waits for us to catch up. I see no way
    in which Pirsig's moral hierarchy can be construed as absolute.

    platt to steve:
    What I find interesting is your implication that belief in God can
    support an intellectual pattern just as belief in Quality supports
    the pattern of the MOQ.

    msh asks steve:
    Is this what you are implying?

    Thanks,
    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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