Re: MD Is the MoQ still in the Kantosphere?

From: Sam Norton (
Date: Sat Dec 25 2004 - 12:36:57 GMT

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    Hi David (DMB)

    Happy Christmas to you and all your loved ones.

    > Here's a question for you Sam. And I'm quite serious. What's the difference
    > between the mystical experience as James describes it and the description
    > Plotinus gives us in THE ONE?

    This is an excellent question, and I shall enjoy answering it - not least because it will ensure
    that I expand my knowledge of Plotinus, of whom I don't know all that much. But given the time of
    year, it'll probably be the middle of next week before I can supply the answer.

    dmb was stunned:
    Argument to authority? Huh? As I understand it, you're trying to hang
    Schleiermacher around the neck of philosophical mysticism by tracing a line
    from him to the MOQ. And yet he is conspicuously absent as an influence. I
    can now add that he does not even appear in the index of William James'
    VARITIES. Its hard to imagine that his influence could be very substantial
    if he is not mentioned even once, don't you think? This is not an argument
    from authority. You say he has had a profound impact of some sort and I say
    he's not even mentioned. I have a verifiable fact which seriously calls your
    assertion into question. One can't prove a negative, but that's pretty

    Here I want to appeal to the referee, because I have consistently asked DMB to read outside his
    usual field. Most particularly, I would like you to read Grace Jantzen's book, which I've referred
    to consistently. (Hey, if you let me have your snail mail address, I will buy it for you - it's on
    Amazon at:
    and you can read the first chapter there. Just give it a look, please, please, please - it'll help
    us hugely, I'm sure.)

    Specifically, her argument in Section III of Chapter 8 is twenty pages explaining the link from
    Schleiermacher to William James. Now, perhaps she is completely wrong - I certainly am not in a
    position to second-guess her about Schleiermacher. But I have studied James' Varieties in some
    detail, and I can vouch for her accuracy there.


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