MF Discussion Topic for July 2004

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Date: Sat Jul 03 2004 - 04:37:08 BST

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    This month's topic is

    3) From LILA Chapter 24:
    "The end of the twentieth century in America seems to be an intellectual,
    social and economic rust-belt, a whole society that has given up on Dynamic
    improvement and is slowly trying to slip back to Victorianism, the last
    static ratchet-latch."

    Lila was published in 1991 (and obviously written prior to its publication).
    The end of the 20th century in America included arguably important social
    events like the spread of the internet, arguably important economic events
    like the stock-market bubble, arguably important scientific/intellectual
    advances in computer technology, genetics, chaos theory, quantum physics,
    etc. etc.

    Given that the 20th century in America (or anywhere else for that matter) is
    firmly behind us now, is it still fair to say that its end was an
    "intellectual, social and economic rustbelt"? And if so, then what sort of
    intellectual, social and economic 'advances' could have prevented the
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    2) 2
    3) 3

    Voters and Selection

    HORSE - 1
    RICK - 1
    PI - 2
    DMB - 3
    DOSS - 3


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